fading a single midi note

i mentionned this in another thread, but just to be sure, is there any way at all of fading one single midi note without using envelopes or automation?

Your question doesn't make any sense. A MIDI note is nothing more than digital information which consists of a note on event, velocity and a note off event. In itself there's no sound and therefore, nothing to fade. The sound module (hardware or software) receives the MIDI note and 'plays' it, so presumably it's that, that needs to be faded. If the sound module receives MIDI CC 7 (volume), then you can fade the sound with that. If it doesn't, then you can fade the sound with the channel strip volume fader. Either way, you will need to move the fader (or MIDI controller) in real-time, or set up an automation envelope. Or, with CC7, you could manually enter these into the MIDI part wherever needed. I see you wrote "one single MIDI note". If you mean one of the notes in a chord, then the answer is no. Unless the chord is made up of different parts on different MIDI channels. :)

Better use MIDI CC #11 than #7 for this kind of purpose.

I don't really understand what you guys mean about the midi CC stuff. but it does make sense. with software you can do anything. sure moving the fader down can do it, and creating an envelope can do it. but you could also just take those volume control sliders that are on midi notes and have them changeable to exponential curves or linear fade slopes. it doesn't matter what sort of technical things you'd have to do to make it happen. it can be done. maybe it would be incredibly complicated to program. but there is a way. i am quite interested about this CC stuff though.

hay sound asleep. you can do that without automation, by edit the CC 7 in the MIDI editor. you need a synth that respond to that CC, for this to work. you have such on my signature. :)

Either RTFM or use ADSR m8! :p

....you could perhaps use polyphonic aftertouch to control a filter or something (in the synth) centred on the note you want to fade or just tune a vst eq to that note and automate.... MIDI mode 4 is often used for guitar synths where each note is on a different channel... not sure how this translates to the virtual world.... If it is a VSTi we are talking about, I'd just open the same synth playing the same patch (if that is what you want) on a different track. Good luck:)

You do realize that MIDI CCs are just a way to automate MIDI information that is exclusively used with in MIDI, right? You have two options within the MIDI realm (Yes, only two) use a synth with ADSR that will allow you to define the release speed of the sound OR use a combination of MIDI CC 7 (volume) or MIDI CC 11 (expression). CC7 is equivalent to the "track" volume. CC11 is to be thought of more as automation within a track. Outside of this and you personally rewriting the MIDI spec... these are your options. Either listen to us or quit arguing.

afaik, i wasn't arguing. i'll try the cc11 thing envelope within a track sounds like it would work nicely. hopefully this is not vst specific.

unfortunately that didn't work either. i guess like i said in previous post, i'm stuck with envelopes. it's too bad the clips fade doesn't work in the same kind of way as envelopes, or in a similar way, that would allow you to fade midi the same way you can fade audio. that would be pretty sweet. it would stick with my clips. the only thing it wouldn't allow you to do, is to keep the volume of one midi note constant, while fading another that's also within the same track and overlapped.